Fund Groovy Development - Jira Task

[MG]

Hi Groovy enthusiasts !-)

after having thought about the topic of "putting some money where your
mouth is and help fund Groovy development" some more, and taking into
consideration what people have suggested, I have created a (somewhat
experimental) Jira task* where people can pledge bounties for Groovy
features/fixes they woud like to support:

https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GROOVY-8503

I have added bounties for some ares that I would like to see Groovy to
grow in - feel free to suggest additional features/fixes, or pledge for
existing ones.

Please make sure beforehand there has been at least some sort of
discussion about and some tentative agreement on possible ways forward
for the topic you would like to advance on this mailing list. There is
not much sense in cluttering the Jira task with pledges for features no
one of the main contributors think are feasible, a good idea - or who
have been outright rejected at this point :-)

I think it is easiest for people to pledge in "their" currency (Euro in
my case), so they do not incur any exchange rate uncertainties.
I also feel the minimum amount pledged should be in the 10 USD/EUR area,
based on that if we have a lot of people pledging smaller amounts, the
Jira task is definitely not the right approach.
All of this is of course open for discussion... :-)

Regular (monthly) Groovy funding is a topic for another post - for now I
have added a generic "Make Groovy Java 9 compatible" topic at the top of
the funding table in https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GROOVY-8503.

Cheers,
mg

*I think we should see if this appoach does not suffice, before going
down the route of a
Kickstarter/Indiegogo/tribe.taiga.io/bountysource.com/Patroon/fundrequest.io
- thank you to anyone who suggested/commented on this topic :-)

[Daniel.Sun]

Hi  MG,

     After Pivotal stopped sponsoring Groovy, Groovy evolves much slower
than before. As we can see, Groovy project lead Guillaume, tech lead Jochen,
Cédric have much less time to contribute to Groovy. Luckily, Paul still has
been contributing so much :-)

    In order to improve the situation, I discussed similar topic with Paul
some months ago. I wish we could find some sponsorship for volunteers to fix
some issues or achieve some new features, which I think can help Groovy
evolves faster and adopted wider.

    Thank you for making the similar idea on the way ;-)

Cheers,
Daniel.Sun



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[MG]

Hi Daniel,

thank you. I have thought (and discussed with my wife) at length about
getting seriously involved in the devlopment of the Groovy language, but
due to a multitude of reasons I cannot make that commitment at this
point in time.
So I was thinking maybe more people feel the same way, and would instead
like to give money to further "The language that is Groovy" ( (C) ;-) ).

We'll have to see how this goes, I have just posted the funding message
to the Groovy Slack
(https://groovy-community.slack.com/messages/C2NEFCM55/).

I guess 1000+ Groovers pledging e.g 5 to 10 EUR/$ per month would also
go a long way to helping Groovy grow, but here I feel at least the
Paypal address o.s. where the money shall flow should come from the
"Lifetime Achievement Groovy Award" holders who are most active on the
mailing list etc (Paul, Jochen, etc), and the funding Paypal link should
go on the main Groovy web page. The important thing here would be to get
people to commit to regular funding...

Cheers,
mg


On 11.03.2018 14:58, Daniel.Sun wrote:

> Hi  MG,
>
>       After Pivotal stopped sponsoring Groovy, Groovy evolves much slower
> than before. As we can see, Groovy project lead Guillaume, tech lead Jochen,
> Cédric have much less time to contribute to Groovy. Luckily, Paul still has
> been contributing so much :-)
>
>      In order to improve the situation, I discussed similar topic with Paul
> some months ago. I wish we could find some sponsorship for volunteers to fix
> some issues or achieve some new features, which I think can help Groovy
> evolves faster and adopted wider.
>
>      Thank you for making the similar idea on the way ;-)
>
> Cheers,
> Daniel.Sun
>
>
>
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[Daniel.Sun]

BTW, each issue or feature can be sponsored by multiple people and can be
fixed by multiple volunteers. Compared with JIRA to record sponsorship
details, I prefer to use PR of Github. The groovy sponsorship project
repository can be setup at groovy/sponsorship of Github, which we should ask
Groovy project lead for approving.

Cheers,
Daniel.Sun




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[MG]

Hi Daniel,

if you write stuff like that, I feel you are effectively discouraging
people to praticipate in this test balloon.
We can switch to whatever fits best later on, but right now we should
see what people's reaction to this is - which might very well also be:
"I would prefer to fund through xyz".
If people do not want to fund Groovy development (at least the generic
"fund Java 9 compatibility" bounty/target should appeal to anyone
interested in the advancement of Groovy), then it does not matter what
funding platform you offer.

Funding by multiple people would already possible through the Jira
approach (just pledge in the comment section).

Splitting money between multiple contributors is a problem that we can
hopefully solve once there is some money to split.

Cheers,
mg


On 11.03.2018 17:28, Daniel.Sun wrote:

> BTW, each issue or feature can be sponsored by multiple people and can be
> fixed by multiple volunteers. Compared with JIRA to record sponsorship
> details, I prefer to use PR of Github. The groovy sponsorship project
> repository can be setup at groovy/sponsorship of Github, which we should ask
> Groovy project lead for approving.
>
> Cheers,
> Daniel.Sun
>
>
>
>
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[Daniel.Sun]

Well, my bad... I just wish more and more volunteers would involve in the
development of Groovy :)

Cheers,
Daniel.Sun



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[MG]

Sure :-)

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Well, my bad... I just wish more and more volunteers would involve in the
development of Groovy :)

Cheers,
Daniel.Sun



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[MG]

Sure :-)

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Datum: 11.03.18 17:52 (GMT+01:00)

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Well, my bad... I just wish more and more volunteers would involve in the
development of Groovy :)

Cheers,
Daniel.Sun



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[Jochen Theodorou]

Just randomly using a post of this thread for the topic.

I just stumbled over https://www.bountysource.com/. Wouldn't that be an
interesting platform for this kind of idea

Am 11.03.2018 um 19:43 schrieb mg:

> Sure :-)
>
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> Datum: 11.03.18 17:52 (GMT+01:00)
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> Well, my bad... I just wish more and more volunteers would involve in the
> development of Groovy :)
>
> Cheers,
> Daniel.Sun
>
>
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[robert h-2]

I think that is a pretty good idea.

Bob

On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 9:51 AM, Jochen Theodorou <[hidden email]> wrote:

Just randomly using a post of this thread for the topic.

I just stumbled over https://www.bountysource.com/. Wouldn't that be an interesting platform for this kind of idea

Am 11.03.2018 um 19:43 schrieb mg:

Sure :-)

-------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --------
Von: "Daniel.Sun" <[hidden email]>
Datum: 11.03.18 17:52 (GMT+01:00)
An: [hidden email]
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Well, my bad... I just wish more and more volunteers would involve in the
development of Groovy :)

Cheers,
Daniel.Sun



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